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Matthew C

I like ambiguous metal too.

I really like Drudkh and Hate Forest who seem to be in the 'are they/aren't they NSBM?' camp.

Invisible Oranges

Most NSBM is so low in quality as to pose no threat to anything but musicality. The principles it espouses are already enshrined in right-wing movements worldwide. Many of these are institutionalized and gaining significant political traction (across Europe, especially). Men in suits will always be more dangerous than boys in corpsepaint.

Additionally, I see no dissonance between supporting free speech and disagreeing with modes of expression that it protects. In fact, such ideological conflict is fundamental to democracy and free societies.

CW

IO Makes a good point; however, i would say that these NSBM can be dangerous on a more personal level in much the same way as drunken louts can still kick your head in on a friday night if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time. I wouldnt want to be around the crowds they draw.

Though i too enjoy this dodgy area, drudkh, bone awl, loits all seem to just about walk the line.

daven

C'mon- they're antisemites and hate your guts. Switching up the emperor's new clothes with weasel words doesn't make him any less of a racist.

Matthew C

Daven, Wagner was an anti-semite, but his music is definitely worth listening to.

Of course, musically there is an infinity between NSBM and Wagner, but Burzum and a few other bands have real quality.

jk

I think you should work harder to discern the difference between "ambiguous" and "evasive." The quoted speaker says that acceptance of the historical facts of the Holocaust and non-acceptance of the historical facts of the Holocaust are equivalent positions. That is not ambiguous at all. Perhaps the ambiguity instead lies within yourself as someone who likes a genre that may not like you back.

a

It's always striking how bad and incoherent writing by black metal musicians generally is.

JD Quintus

Just to clarify...anyone who has read Metatrons lyrics & still thinks we're a racist band obviously has the IQ of a dead plant.

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